[diveinfo] [girvine@bellsouth.net: RE: [gavinscooters] deep end of Diepolder]
Jean-Sebastien Morisset
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I forgot about eh cave drawing that existed prior to anyone ( us) blowing
the whistle on those bullshitters. That "Floridan Aquifer" and "Jumbo Go
Tunnel" nonsense at the end is nothing but a room full of clay and rocks
about 20X20. Even funnier is the "Flag Room". They have drawing of an
American Flag with a list of stokes so horrific that Gavin and I almost
choked down all our gas laughing when we read it.
JJ was booted, as was Lamar English, for taking me in there. You know, I
never messed with any of these idiots, but in fact ignored them, until they
started it up with me in one way or another. Their biggest complaint about
me, and this used to go for the entire diving "community" ,was when I blew
the whistle on bullshit, like their Narcosis Club at Diepolder and other
deep air diving nonsense, the guy you mention below teaching a "gas course"
while himself diving air and other stupidity too ridiculous to mention, the
constant bragging about nothing dives and the "step aside for the expert"
attitude that these strokes still have to this day.
I don't need friends badly enough to accommodate dangerous morons.
Somebody asked about the AJ joke. That started when Gavin and I were in our
condo in Mexico making breakfast, and in walks Dan Lins to inform us that
Jim Coke said that Gavin and I would never get to the end of his line in Dos
Ojos, as it was the "limit of exploration" which had all the great and
famous divers involved. I was sitting at the bar looking at the pancake box
trying not to bust out laughing, when Gavin handed me a knife, and I started
cutting the Aunt Jemima face off of the pancake box. We both fell about the
place laughing, and of course Lins got a little pissed off and left.
Later that day, Mike Madden, Gavin and I paid Buddy " The Salamander"
Quaddlebaum $100 to drive us out to Dos Ojos in one of the giant jacked up
Unimogs, or whatever they call them. Back then there were not roads to any
of these places. This was of course treason on the part of Buddy. That is a
story in itself. Anyway, after we ran out of line adding some 2500 feet to
the end and found the way on, we placed that AJ at the end of the line, and
gave Coke the survey data. Years later when they built roads out there,
somebody found the AJ coming the other direction from a sinkhole we did not
have enough line to reach. Keep in mind that in Mexico we did not use the
Gavins or any of the other tricks, just Teknas and whatever tanks you could
get, and we swam most of the way.I brought some AJ's back to the States and
placed them where the situation called for it.
-----Original Message-----
From: gavinscooters@yahoogroups.com [mailto:gavinscooters@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of Tanto Sanmai
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 9:06 AM
To: gavinscooters@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [gavinscooters] deep end of Diepolder
Funny story. The reason I asked was this drawing:
http://www.floridacaves.com/diepolder2mapb.JPG
where you get the impression that the cave continues. Many surveys are
often incorrect, though.
Actually back in 1995 one of the guides, Bill Oestreich, told me exactly
what you said, that he
did the dive to the end of the line no problem, using a scooter, no need
to set up the cave or
anything.
Why was JJ "booted out" by Clesi anyway? Didn't want you there? ;-)
Hey, just out of curiosity, don't want you to step on someonelse's toes or
making more enemies
than what you already have!
--- George Irvine <trey@myacc.net> ha scritto:
> Actually, it is not obvious because Diepolder is a closed system - it is
on
> property belonging to the Boy Scouts, and they have a "guide" system,
which
> is a collection of strokes and deep air divers who could not explore a
> swimming pool. The head stroke still brags about his glory days in
Diepolder
> where it took him and a collection of other laughables two months to not
> even make that 20 minute dive I was talking about. You have no idea how
> funny this really is - the stories I could tell about some of these
idiots
> are so ridiculous as to hardly even be believable.
>
> Let me give you one tidbit - if you have ever been to Paul Heinerth's
(LOL)
> dive shop near Deipolder, and I don't even know if it is still there
since I
> am going back some 16 years now, there is a gigantic ballast tank from a
> submarine that one of the other strokes (Jim Kink, again, LOL) had
installed
> there since that was the "base" for this "massive project" where they
> managed to add 50 feet of line to the line a guy named Dale Sweetin (
who
> may have died of old age by now ) put in on air 20 years ago.
>
> Sweetin actually was or may still be the insurance agent who these guys
> bought some kind of policy from for their little guiding service. The
reason
> I know that is for the first one of my two dives there I had to pay the
> insurance for a guy who was an inactive guide so that he could take
Gavin
> and I there. The only reason we even did it was because the head stroke
told
> me that a Gavin scooter was a toy when I was in his dive shop getting a
tank
> topped with air ( was driving by on the way to someplace else). I went
out
> to the car ( in those days many mobile phones were built into the cars)
and
> phoned Gavin to tell him we were going to go finish off Diepolders for
the
> strokes. He of course said why waste time with it, until I told him the
news
> that the scooter was a "toy". He then said he would be there in a day,
and I
> called the other guy, paid the insurance, and then we did the dive,
adding a
> little bit of line and placing an Aunt Jemima off of a pancake box at
the
> end of the cave.
>
> It gets even better. After the head stroke booted our "guide' and later
> booted Jarrod as a guide for me going back with Jarrod to see the Aunt
> Jemima ( this time less than a twenty minute dive) from surface to
deco),
> the stroke cut an Auntie J off of f pancake box and posted it in his
dive
> shop saying he had retrieved it. Well, the dumb ass did not know that
the
> one I put in the cave was from a Mexican pancake box and was in
Spanish - it
> had the Spanish name for Auntie J, not the English.
>
> I could go on and on about the idiots in the cave diving community, so
don't
> get me started.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gavinscooters@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:gavinscooters@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Tanto Sanmai
> Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 2:29 PM
> To: gavinscooters@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [gavinscooters] deep end of Diepolder
>
>
> So the reason there's no exploration being done is simply that there's
> nothing to explore. With
> hindsight seems it should have been obvious.
> Thanks for the feedback.
>
>
> --- Trey Irvine <trey@gavinscooters.com> ha scritto:
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
> There is a low clay tunnel that ends in a little room - nothing there.
> From the surface back to
> deco took twenty minutes. The place is a joke.
>
> -----Original message-----
> From: Tanto Sanmai tanto_sanmai@yahoo.it
> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 06:18:54 -0700
> To: gavinscooters@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [gavinscooters] deep end of Diepolder
>
> > Trey said:
> > Gavin and I added to the deep end of Diepolder and finished it off
in
> one 20 minute dive on gas
> > after the strokes held massive "projects" there and did nothing,
> >
> >
> >
> > How does Diepolder end? there seems to be no info on the deep end of
> DP2: does it continue, does
> > it end? Is there a restriction?
> >
> >
> >
> >
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